Pythagorean Illuminati, Gnostic Illuminism, The Ancient Order of the Illuminati, and Ontological Mathematics

What is it?

Are these books below from who they say they are?  I don’t know.  But it is plausible, given the uniqueness, quality, and breadth of the material; if they’re not the Illuminati then they might as well be the Illuminati.

The e-books below are the best critique and summary of philosophy, science, psychology, etc., that exists in the world and I am hoping to find other avid readers, and to promote avid readership, of the material and find some other rational minds to consider the material with (I will discuss the prerequisites for doing so below).  You can get their books from Amazon and they are in e-format for e-readers only; it is worth the investment if you don’t already have one, or you can read them on your PC or your phone app.  They write under the pseudonyms of “Mike Hockney”, “Michael Faust” and “Adam Weishaupt”.

This is Hockney’s page on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Mike-Hockney/e/B004KHR7DC/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1

Michael Faust’s:

http://www.amazon.com/Michael-Faust/e/B004LXBBUA/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1

Adam Weishaupt’s:

http://www.amazon.com/Adam-Weishaupt/e/B004LXB8GW/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1

Aside from the list of books below, it is very helpful to read these books in chronological order of publication date, because concepts and information is developed in sequence.

This is the first book from “Adam Weishaupt”:

Jesus, Prince of Hell

 The first book from “Michael Faust”:

The Right-Brain God

The first book from “Mike Hockney”:

Prohibition A

(which is a “fiction”).

The list below is their “God Series” (written by Hockney) which should only be read after reading all of the other books before them, and then in chronological order because they are an ongoing development of the concepts:

The God Factory

The God Game

The Last Man Who Knew Everything

Hyperreality

The God Blunder

The God Equation

The God Secret

Hyperreason

I read “The God Factory” first, before the earlier books from the other authors, and didn’t understand or agree with it very much, so I then read all of their other books in chronological order and came back to finish this “God Series”, and then it all made much more sense.  Many important concepts and perspectives are developed and discussed in all the other books and so this is why it is important to have that grounding before finishing up with the “God Series”.

They have somewhere around 30-35 books (so far/Feb 2013) and it is some of the best critique of philosophy, science, psychology, etc., that exists in the world, at least that I have found and all in one place.  They also have “coded fiction” works, which are the first four publications from Hockney, and which are very good, particularly:

The Armageddon Conspiracy

This book is similar to Dan Brown’s style (author of the “Da Vinci Code”), but is much more exciting.  Their four fictional books are said to be based on aspects of their actual philosophy and secret knowledge of history and Gnosticism, and also on “current events”.  The “Armageddon Conspiracy” book can be read first for an intro, but just keep in mind that it is a fiction with embellishments, and is a sort of “mythos” account of their otherwise rational philosophy.

They also have a website, http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/, which covers some of the same material as from the books, and also makes for good reading.  But the entire set of books are where you get the total package and I personally recommend going to them for reading, although the website is a good supplement.

They write in their books that most people will not enjoy them, because they’re “too rational”, and they psychologically break down and prove exactly why this will be so.  Not many authors can do that!  Luckily for me I love that sort of thing…

Now, I would love to have discussion of these books and topics in the comments below, but this brings me to the “prerequisites” of such that will be accepted:

First, I will immediately trash, without attribution, any comments that try to make the argument that rationality and reason don’t exist.  It is amazing how many people will try to come up with a rational argument to prove that rationality doesn’t exist.  Do you have any idea how stupid and self-contradictory that is?  Of course, if rationality doesn’t exist, there’s no point in someone trying to make that point, is there.

Second, I will immediately trash, without attribution, any comments that argue from the scientific materialist’s perspective that mind doesn’t exist.  Do you understand how stupid it is to use your mind to argue that your mind doesn’t exist?  Arguments like this typically come from academic scientists, proving that the vast majority of academics are so incredibly, not just philosophically uninformed, but uninformed even of science itself.  Most academic scientists are rationally totally incompetent, with even many physicists believing that matter and materialism is “real” and that matter is made up of tiny little balls of “material stuff”.  It is so incredibly uninformed.  For example, ask a physicist, what caused the Big Bang?  They will probably reply that it was the result of a “quantum fluctuation”.  A fluctuation IN WHAT you morons?  Before the universe existed there was nowhere to have a quantum fluctuation.  Or, ask them, where are the laws of physics, how or where are they stored, and why does matter obey them?  They’ll answer with “they just exist, it just happens”, which, of course, isn’t an answer at all.  You will literally see physicists run away, red in the face, and angry, when you ask them about the actual really important questions that everyone imagines science might answer.

Science might answer these questions, but not without a shift in paradigm to “Philosophical Rationalism“, away from this contradictory literal belief in “material stuff” and external sense-based perception; quantum mechanics has already proved, long ago, that matter does not actually exist as any type of solid “material stuff”.  The books from the Illuminati explain exactly what that shift will look like, and what the results will be.  The first step of the process is, actually, in simply acknowledging mathematics; why is science successful only in so far as it is mathematical?  Comprehend the profundity behind that and you are on your way to comprehending the nature and basis of reality.  Do you really want to understand why reality exists and what created the Big Bang?  You can, and you’ll be going far past the limited materialist paradigm in comprehending the rational answer (in fact, you’ll comprehend that you can go to the absolute limit beyond!).

Any comments which are trash-worthy may be kept for display of how incredibly stupid they are, and I may even take the time of verbally disabusing stupid comments of their stupidity simply for the rationalists to enjoy.

This is not to say that I expect anything anyone writes to be super-intelligent or impervious to error – it is just specifically that if you say things which debase the worth of your own mind, your own reason, and your own existence and that of others, then I will take the liberty of doing what you request.  You argue that mind doesn’t exist?  Fine, you’re a mindless idiot!  You argue that rationality doesn’t exist?  Fine, you don’t even have a hope of not being stupid!  You argue that humanity isn’t worth anything or isn’t cosmically important?  Fine, enjoy the gas chambers (so to speak)!

Please, argue with some damned worth behind yourself, would you?  That’s the only thing I’m asking here: value yourself, your mind, your reason, and acknowledge that you and they exist, for goodness’ sake.  If you can’t do that, why do you make the bother to not do it?  Why hold the value in bothering to argue for your lack of value?  It’s a sick self-debasement, a societal remnant of original sin, that you have no contract to inflict on others other than enjoying witnessing your destruction of the good.

The whole fraud of climate alarm is, of course, specifically based around vilifying human existence and instituting another form of “original sin”, and the moronically idiotic scientific materialist paradigm plays right into it.  Scientific materialism is an actively intellectually offensive premise, and the whole faith in it.  A rational person simply considering the premises of scientific materialism becomes actively intellectually annoyed.

The Idea

The basic premise is that reality is rational.  If it wasn’t rational it wouldn’t exist, because it would be “all over the place”, or even non-existent.  For reality to exist it has to be rational.  This might called “the primary Rational Prerequisite for Existence”, or the first RPE.

Prerequisites for Existence:

  1. It is rational.  If it wasn’t rational it could be anything at any time and would never have to be consistent, and it could even not exist, and this would be a contradiction.  This relates to Leibniz’ most profound question: why is there something rather than nothing?  Another way of stating this RPE is that “it exists”.
  2. It’s basis must be indivisible.  If the basis of reality was divisible, then it wouldn’t be the basis of reality.
  3. This basis must be uncreated.  If it was created, then it wasn’t the basis, because the thing which created it would have to be the basis and we would have to ask what its basis was.

These RPE’s can only be answered mathematically.  Of course, the obvious corollary is that the mind is also rational.  If you don’t acknowledge mathematics, you can not satisfy these RPE’s, and this is why people literally run from identifying what satisfies them, and is why they prefer to take the defeated position of denying that rationality or mind exists at all.  Because they can’t figure out what must satisfy those RPE’s, and given that they’ve thought about it and couldn’t solve it, they conclude that their failure to answer them means that rationality doesn’t exist!  Perfectly circular and egotistical logic.  Sorry, it only means that you couldn’t solve it, not that rationality or mind doesn’t exist.  At the very least, if this has been your defeated conclusion, then you should have no reason not to be perfectly happy at the prospect of discovering and comprehending the rational answers you were originally seeking!

Of course, for the traditionally religious, rationalism doesn’t matter or factor in because “God did it”, and, “please ignore number 3″, i.e. “there’s this thing we call God and it always existed and it did everything”.  This does not explain what God is, and any lack of explanation is no good for a rationalist.  It is also an answer which which is always based in emotionalism (security, fear, etc.), and comes attached with all manner of irrational emotional desires and satisfactions – it is all about mythos and mythos is always the entire point of this “answer”; it is always about feelings, not logos rationalism.

I’ll leave the answer to be discovered by the readers of the books, but perhaps in the future I’ll write out a short summary.

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77 Responses to Pythagorean Illuminati, Gnostic Illuminism, The Ancient Order of the Illuminati, and Ontological Mathematics

  1. Derek Alker says:

    Phewww, I was somewhat concerned given your recent post re philosophy, good to see semantics being tackled too.

  2. Truthseeker says:

    I absolutely agree that the three “Prerequisites for Existence” are the primary three questions. I also agree that mathematics is the best tool that humans are ever likely to develop to understand these three RPEs and is the only rational way of doing it as far as we humans are concerned.

    I will be interested in reading further articles on this subject.

  3. ivaray says:

    Hey, so far I read eight books of this alleged New Pythagorean Illuminati movement of the Gnostic orientation. Glad that someone else is interested to discuss these books. A few observations: Michael Faust, Mike Hockney, and Adam Weishaupt–all of these books are written by one author at most, the three authors (considering disciplines covered), but it is certainly one editor. I have analyzed various texts with a few experts in English and we all share the same view. Welcome to time of self-publishing :-) It is great–finally, the talented people who are well educated and who systematically worked on expanding their knowledge and developing critical reasoning skills can publish texts without any editorial pressures and express whatever they think. These books are great example of exercising free thinking that is equally challenging for the mainstream society, the Academia, religious consciousness, and rational Philosophy. Push the bubble, break the norm, find the readers, earn some money independently, imagine change–these are main motivations behind all of these books. Honestly, I doubt that there is any secret and organized movement of the Pythagorean Gnostics. At least not yet. Perhaps, those books represent an interesting start of the new movement. What amazes me are the connections made between the science, Philosophy, religion, spirituality, social, political, and economic systems. All of these connections are from time to time ingeniously put together, but I agree with you, sometimes they logically fall apart, though, many topics keep the reader’s attention well. Additionally, these books brought one more interesting point worth discussing–the author(s) from time to time express their critique and openly use swear words and these books are breaking the politically correct language code. I am sure, that there is no one reader who can accept all of the claims or ideas discussed in these books, but whoever has/have written these books is/are well read and he/they know(s) how to peak the interest of the spiritual seekers or those who are struggling with the critique of the tradition and contemporary global, greatly corrupted system. I agree with you on the logical problem relevant to rationality expressed in “The Idea,” but remember dialects; for purpose is to become a god according to these authors. One has to touch the abyss of the lurking inner nature and, at the same time overcome the “fall” by understanding one’s merit i.e. morality and cosmos (Abraxas). Yes, the ontological mathematics plus all spiritual renewal proposed in these books resembles to some sort of a new Metaphysics….. Not sure…. Thanks for the article.

  4. Thanks for the commentary ivaray, excellent.

  5. Mike Kilimanjaro says:

    Hi Joseph,that’s an excellent synopsis of the full series and website. I’ve followed this person/group for the last couple of years, read the entire website, followed them on Facebook, I’ve read all of the God Series (currently on the latest release ‘The Noosphere’) and also taken many leads from them for further research. I could only describe it as the best University course money can’t buy:) There’s certain things explained throughout all this material which I have been able to instantly grasp from the outset but I get bogged down in much of the mathematical concepts etc (something I plan on working on).

    Whether or not this group is ‘The Illuminati’ or not is still something I could not give a definitive yes or no answer too…at this point it really doesn’t matter as the material is so mind blowing, In defence of the claim this book backs up a lot of the claims through historical references and Pythagorean concepts which have seemingly been passed down through antiquity http://www.amazon.com/The-Music-Pythagoras-Brotherhood-Antiquity/dp/0802716318 I have more info for you if you are interested you can send me a quick email to ###

  6. Hi Mike,

    Glad you liked the synopsis. I’ll be writing another post soon on more in-depth detail about the nature of reality, and also another one on the Gnostic philosophy which lies behind the reason for calling the Higgs Boson the “the God Particle”, which is really fascinating.

    Thanks for the book reference on Pythagoras and notification of the new book by Hockney – I hadn’t checked in a while. Will be getting into those tonight!

    I removed your email address from the post so that spiders don’t pick it up; that’s a terrible email address by the way…lol…but I can’t say it doesn’t make me laugh thinking about the mind and motivation behind choosing it! A+ for boldness…I like that.

    If you have questions on the mathematical concepts please feel free to ask or discuss them with me. I do have, relative to the general population, advanced training in mathematics and science and so it may be of use to you. I am hoping that people will post comments/questions on the comment board so that the discussions are available for other people seeking such things on-line.

    As you know, they’ve stated that they hosted internet fora for discussion with the public in the past, but they were very disappointed with the results and with the things which most people wanted to discuss/accuse them of. “The Illuminati” is just such a toxic brand and I can understand why most people are so confused. It’s a jungle out in the world and there is an endless supply of BS. However, I’ve found that most people, even the conspiracy researchers etc., do appreciate the message of the Illuminati and agree with a lot of it. Of course, rationality and critical thinking isn’t really a part of the public education system, and hasn’t been for some time. They certainly understand that, but perhaps they haven’t experienced it directly. I myself had a degree of deprogramming to go through, and it wasn’t until I read the God Series and saw the actual mathematical discussion and a more complete presentation of the monadology that I finally took it all totally seriously. That worked for me because I have the mathematical training, but for most other people it won’t occur that way. Now, their stated goal was to find world-historic figures and so it wouldn’t much matter much what the rabble did or didn’t think about. However, revolution will occur once the 5-10% morphic resonance threshold is met in any case, and such a “soft” revolution may produce world historic figures anyway. In any case, I can handle people being “stupid” and being confused…I know what it is like.

    It IS my desire to share this info and discuss it with “regular” people. I have found that most people like hearing about it. The only ones who still really get upset are the religious fundamentalists, but they’re hardly a factor today. Mainstream religion is dead for anyone under 40 years old in Western society, and the time may be ripe for a paradigm shift to generally-held belief patterns which are more self-affirming than exists now. Actually, the religious group I have found who do not have much of a problem at all with most of the tenets of Illuminism is the Mormons! I’ve talked to some very devout Mormons and when I tell them of Illuminist philosophy, they’re always like “oh yah we know that”. Of course, that is not in regards to anything mathematical, but generally to the idea of our souls becoming Gods etc. The main difference is they believe we only get one “material” incarnation, whereas Illuminism is fully reincarnational. But, it is incomparably healthier than standard Christianity and they don’t do the whole “original sin” bullshit gambit.

    I just love sharing the ideas and concepts and seeing people comprehend them and understand them, and even agree with them. It is like a mental orgasm for me, or it is like the satisfaction you feel when you give someone else a physical orgasm, except you experience it in your mind too. Every time that I get to discuss the philosophy with someone new, and witness people comprehend it, my mind just swims, and I can do it over and over again and never get tired of it! I just love it – I love basking in its edifice, seeing someone else comprehend it, sensing the effect it is having in their mind, etc; it makes me feel warm, happy, and on the verge of explosion into Gnosis! It is just wonderful seeing someone comprehend their mind!

    Perhaps some of us “regular people” who have become very familiar with the work can start an internet forum again, to help communicate the info, etc. Something to think about.

    I’ll send you an email for the other info you offered.

    Cheers!

    JP

  7. Mike Kilimanjaro says:

    Thanks for removing the email address and it’s great to meet someone else who is fascinated with this treasure trove…there’s not many people out there it seems willing to put in the time and effort. I’m going to send you an email now with a few extra tidbits:)

  8. Cheers Mike. It is just such great material, and you’re right that hardly anyone seems willing to read it…not even scientists. But for me, and for you too and “ivaray” below etc., I suspect it’s no effort at all but a joy. It’s joyful material, and there’s nothing like annihilating a new publication in 8 straight hours of reading (or more).

  9. Elie Saoud says:

    Hi Curious Ones,,
    I regard the illuminati intellectual wing the most mind advanced people ever roamed the earth,,
    I have one problem either with my logic which I regard in the same respect if not more in some tiny areas (no false modesty nor artificial pretension) or with theirs concerning 9-11 : from their point of view 19 stupid arabs broke the most sophisticated billions dollars defense system ( of the USA ) and did it,, from my point of view this is not what happened,, now either I’m stupid regarding this matter or they are the stupid ones or they have a political propaganda agenda to fill even if they know that what they’re stating and confirming TOO MANY TIMES that 19 stupid arabs did it,,

    I leave you to your research and conclusions and judgement

    happy illumination path to your omega’s

  10. Hi Elie,
    911 seems to grip the imagination, but there’s much more to the set of books and Illumination than that. People want a big explanation for 911 because it was a big event. Lyndon LaRouche at larouchepac.com has his explanation of how 911 occurred, and he seems to have the connections and knowledge to be believable. But the point is the same: this is what crazy religious people can be driven to! Good luck on your path :)

  11. Elie Saoud says:

    Hi Joseph,,
    Thank you for replying :) ,, I know what you’re stating : I read their website nearly twice (all links) and I read some of their god series books and this is why I see them the MOST noble minded people,, you can call them highlanders, divine, angels, gods, or hyperboreans or whatever exotic word that sublimates their work,, concerning 9-11, you can give me many links to many websites as I can do it to myself or to you, that’s not essential,, the essence is to have an attitude and a stance towards this event/fact and to use reason/hyperreason/logic/hyperlogic/physics…. whatever you have to reach to the truth of what happened that day,, as a matter of fact I spent six years of my life with the belief that 19 extremist muslim arabs on the order of Osama Ben Laden exploded themselves in 4 airplanes by hitting wtc and the pentagon and whatever else… but then when I started my researches on the internet on tooooooooooo many subjects including the closest ones to the illuminati like philosophy/science/mathematics/ontology/religion/epystemology/consciousness/physics/…. you name it, I landed on their “chef d’oeuvre” http://www.armageddonconspiracy.co.uk/ and I was thrilled and excited and felt a shiver inside of me to meet people(at least in the mind) that are working on everything and I mean EVERYTHING because that was my path years before,, now if you go to their website, there’s a link “Conspiracy Theories explained” I ask you if such a subject is important or not to you ?! if it is important to you like it is to me, I wonder why they have links that span more than sixty pages on my big screen and this one has nearly superficial general three pages !? ,,
    now I don’t want to speculate or judge intentions nor shortages, they are not a debating society as they told me once and they are radicals in the sense that they are trying to open humanity to a new horizon/paradigm/heaven…. but this silly subject ( 9-11 and the like ) by the eyes of many ( not mine ) coupled with their convictions and they MUST be logical ones is like you meet a god OK ?! he is God in many respects, and you stand in aw in front of him,, he’s brilliant, genius, rational, friendly when you’re not stupid, angry when you are,…. he’s perfect in every conceivable way you can imagine,, you spend hours and days with him,, you don’t get bored, you don’t stand still, you’re always moving forward with him,,,, but then he tells you that Jesus Christ is a chinese female !!! and he considers you and treat you as stupid if you don’t hold the same conviction ?1!!

    again,, :) excuse me for writing too much but this is how I feel towards these geniuses illuminati,,
    and by the way regarding their classification of people I should be a seventh or sixth degree illuminatus myself :),, plus this zero thing :) which is the center of their god series and it is the center of the existence is my conviction too but FAITHLY speaking :),,

    anyway, I spent like three years reading about conspiracies and conpiracy theories and I can say that from what I have read pure reason and logic debunk the official story,, if all what I have read on the internet is but lies then I MUST say clearly that there is a bigger and larger conspiracy on its way,,

    take care Joseph :)

  12. Hi Elie,
    If you haven’t yet, please put in the time to read all of their series of books. Read them all in order, chronologically, starting from the first date to the last. Spend every second of your spare waking time reading them. I can’t tell you what will happen to you, but I can tell you that something will. If you’ve already done that, keep letting it sink in. Save the God Series to read last.
    Just consider this: there is nothing more rational than 1+1=2. Nothing could ever be more rational, or exceed the rationality of 1+1=2. Nothing else is more rationally true than this. Mathematics, number, therefore, is that than which nothing more rational can be conceived. Therefore, existence is either based on number and hence mathematics, or it is not rational. Reality must be rational or else it wouldn’t exist. Hence, existence is number/mathematics. As Pythagoras said “All things are number; numbers rule all.” It is too beautiful to not be true. Eventually you will come to understand the dialectical necessity of the number zero, and the implications of zero, and Euler’s Equation, etc.
    And please, feel free to comment here whenever you wish.
    Best regards to you too.

  13. Elie Saoud says:

    I will for sure :) a promess to you and to myself :) they are the best,, my holy grail is to meet Mike Hockney :) in person,, though he can be many persons, I like to meet the one who wrote the armageddon conspiracy coded fiction,, any way forget about 9-11 if you think it’s not that important :),, and see you soon :) on the noosphere :)

    REM : I am lucky because I can read up 24 hours a day 7 days a week,, :) and in time I will write my own mind :)

  14. OK Elie! That’s a great goal. One of my goals from an early age was to be able to write poetry with one hand, and do mathematics with the other, at the same time. :)

    I wouldn’t worry about meeting Hockney…what would it get you? I doubt he/she would care to meet anyone unless they had something truly new to tell them, such as exactly how to unite quantum mechanics with relativity theory via the Euler Equation, and things like that…ha. Be YOUR OWN hero. Seek to meet your self :)

  15. Elie Saoud says:

    I don’t work with”clichés” :) Mr. Joseph,, have your own style not theirs :) and don’t worry about me nor my faith :) ,, faith is in the monads :) as above so below :) ,, “vu” that my mind evolution and dialectic reached some eight years ago the “zeraw” point :) I don’t much grails left to uncover and meet,, I’m interested to meet and to chat with the likes :) ,, it’s that simple ,,
    A+

  16. Ahhh; very nice Elie, understood and appreciated! :) Excellent :)

  17. Elie Saoud says:

    :) like to meet you too some day if I survived the probable war coming to my country :)

  18. Of course. Ever in Western Canada, let me know. I doubt I’ll ever be around where you are. And good luck…!

  19. Elie Saoud says:

    :) too generous from you ,,, good luck you too :) in every endeavor you risk :)

  20. Watched “Cloud Atlas” on a flight the other day. Anyone else catch the “soul camera” references?

  21. Pegasus says:

    Hey, I felt like giving you a heads up (and any readers of this also) in case you have not already. You should join the following sites as these all have been enlightened by the AOI (Illumination and Meritocracy):

    http://merit.clan.su/

    https://www.facebook.com/illumination4earth

    http://hex666.wordpress.com/

    http://www.facebook.com/meritocracy4earth

    We need to stick together. Hope I’ve helped!

  22. urbster1 says:

    Hello,
    I have been deeply intrigued and an avid reader of the material on the AC website as well as the God Series for the past year or so. I do not have advanced knowledge of mathematics, and I am looking for some assistance in grasping ideas. Glad to have found your site! Peace.

  23. Hi ubster1,

    If you want to discuss the material or have questions about it, I can try to help! Cheers.

  24. djevolved says:

    I have been reading as many of the books put out by these folks as I can and have greatly enjoyed them. I just finished The Last Man To Know Everything. Wow. Some fascinating ideas. Really helping me get clearer on some things I have been trying to figure out about light, time, energy, etc.
    I really appreciate your blog, keep up the good work!

  25. Hi djevolved!

    Well if you’ve happy with what you’ve read so far, keep going. Their latest releases, the God Series, are excellent. I’m getting finished an article on the nature of time and relativity etc. which will summarize some of those concepts, so check back for it. Also almost finished an article on how to make Meritocracy work, and what the potential dangers of it would be if not properly regulated.
    Cheers.

  26. A.W.E. says:

    hail all
    it enlightens my soul, to see the good people blogging here.
    the way of the ILLUMINATI is long. Eternal. Be all of you welcome to the journey onward to omega.

    Adam W. Eishaupt
    AOI
    hex666.wordpress.com

  27. Hi A.W.E.,

    Here’s a graphic I was thinking of getting tattooed:

    Also would like to combine it with a Phoenix Resurgam, holding cinnamon and myrrh in it claws, coming in for a landing to a large circumpunct with a trinary yin-yang symbol as the centre dot, the circle blending from black to rainbow around the circumference, with the rainbow radially shaded with red on the outside and violet on the inside. Black would start at the 6 o’clock position and circle around blending to rainbow counter clockwise, and then at the 10 o’clock position the rainbow would have a small blend-to-white “gap”, which itself blends to gold and then continues as gold back to the 6 o’clock position. Also have pictured a beautiful Goddess, Lucifer, handing a beast, Satan, an apple, with Satan cowering himself shielding his eyes from the light with one arm and looking away frantically, but with his other arm the beast is stretching out holding a Lotus flower for Lucifer. Lucifer and Satan are exchanging an apple for a lotus flower, respectively; in the background, a rising Sun.

    Thought you might like the imagery.

    I’ll be posting here in a while a paper on some more details of the implications for relativity theory and what the ontological mathematical derivation implies about it (space-time) and how it fixes the mistake, etc. Particularly interesting is how the arrow of time and the antisymmetry in the behaviour of space vs. time is defined by the fundamental properties of the fundamental equation itself. The paper adds some further insight that I hope is useful.

    Best regards, the journey is here!

  28. About the movie “Cloud Atlas”

    So one of the most important and special parts of the movie “Cloud Atlas” was near the end, when the ‘valley’ character Tom Hanks is dealing with his mythos savage side that wants to kill the prescient (Halle Barry) because it is scared of her for various reasons, not the least of which is that she is smart and has advanced “secret” knowledge and the savage found this scary. Tom Hanks goes up behind her with the knife and is struggling with what to do…and you can see he has that look of inner struggle the whole time he is in that character. The inner battle is his rational logos struggling to master his mythos savage, for the first time, ever. And he does it, he courageously takes the plunge into the depths where he knows not, and says “I want to know everything, tell me everything about what I don’t know”. He’s thus transformed his soul, himself, his psyche, and has bravely chosen to partake of “The Forbidden Fruit”, knowledge, which the savage Satanic mythos side hates. He’s won his reason and earned his soul, and so he gets to go with the prescients and live in a more advanced logos world. The mythos people were murdered by savagery and ended. We see Hanks at the end tempering his mythos savage side with his stories for the children, giving it what it wants, but it is mastered by his rational logos side.

    That is all of our battle, as recorded in Genesis. We either obey Satan, the savage, the mythos, and don’t eat of the Tree of Knowledge, or, we bravely and courageously take hold of our own soul, we take our own soul for ourselves, and take it away from the Satan god who wants to keep us savage in his supposed “garden”; Satan calls this “selling our soul to Satan”, but Satan is a liar named Jehovah, and our souls are our own, not anyone else’s, and we give our souls to ourselves, not to Jehovah who is actually Satan, and we become true Gods. We are our own Gods, and there is no greater God than what we can ourselves become.

    Also note that the prescient, who has logos knowledge, is a female. Lucifer, the patron of humanity and giver of knowledge, is, despite the lies of the Patriarch bastard Jehovah, actually a female. This is why the bastard Jehovah (i.e. Satan) has always hated women and has always done everything he could to subjugate them, even labelling Lucifera with a male version of her name and confusing everybody by accusing her of his own being Satan. Just look at Satan=Allah=Jehovah covering women up and denying them their role and their superior intelligence in society via his Satanic religion of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Lucifera, in her grace and wisdom and sacred feminine strength, has taken the abuse from Satan/Jehovah, the patriarchal insecure pathetic weak male bastard who can’t handle the beauty of the feminine because he’s a pathetic selfish coward, for millennia. This will change soon enough.

    Worshipping any other entity than our own transcended soul is an act of pure Satanism. But your soul doesn’t require worship…only Satan requires any form of worship. Your soul only wants to know itself, and it does this through knowledge and reason, through logos. Be a master and serve your own soul, do not serve Satan who calls himself “God” any longer. Satan is a liar, and he pretended to be a “God” named Yahweh/Jehovah/Jesus/Allah.

    The truth is that you are completely free, and save yourself.

    Are you a slave worshipping a master, or are you the master of your soul?

    Become a Hyperhuman and fully master the Mythos by fully embracing Logos rationalism based on ontological mathematics, and knowledge of your own immortal God-soul. This is what you will get from studying the set of works of these Illuminst authors.

  29. Michael says:

    I have not read these books but plan to. Using your knowledge of those writings, would you say the contents of the linked blog posts make sense?

    http://www.wastelandsettler.com/blog

  30. I would say that there is actually some compatibility and overlap with the Fourier theory basis of reality, the frequency domain of the unextended soul and how frequencies are all involved in that, etc. Meaning that it is compatible with Illuminism. There is a lot of “sense” at that link but a person has be educated enough to see what it is. I recommend this reading for similar material at about the same level of complexity: The Unobstructed Universe, Our Unseen Guest. Of course, you should read the entire set of Illuminati books for a proper philosophical and mathematical grounding.

  31. Michael says:

    Thanks for your insight. Those writings are the culmination of my own independent research into quantum mechanics, spirituality, and Hermetic wisdom. When I write those I feel that I am channeling a higher intelligence, and that my purpose in life is to spread that information to everyone in the world. I can’t wait to read the Illuminati books to gain a more expansive framework for reality.

  32. Oh that’s fantastic Michael. I will make sure to thoroughly and slowly read everything you have there then…I just had time to skim it tonight but will give it a good proper read tomorrow. Your knowledge level and ability to put your thoughts into more concrete philosophical concepts will be tremendously enhanced by a study of the Illuminati material. You’ll find it very exciting and rewarding to discover and comprehend what the overlaps are with your own independent thinking and that of Illuminism, and then to enhance your understanding by integrating the new knowledge and perspective into something even more rewarding and insightful. Cheers.

  33. Michael says:

    Thank you, I really appreciate that. After your first comment I looked up Fourier transformations. The way it talks about everything being made from circles, is completely in line with an insight I had last year. I known I will expand on that line of thinking once I’ve done a little more research on Fourier transforms and Euler’s formula, Riemann spheres, and Pythagorean Illuminism.

    Please read both of my blog posts if you have the time. I’d really like to hear your analysis of my ideas. You may email me directly if desired.

  34. I’ll try to get back to you Michael. Busier these days than normal with a new member of the family :)

  35. Michael says:

    Did you ever get a chance to read my page? http://wastelandsettler.com/blog

    Thanks!

  36. I’m going to do it today! :) Sorry for the delay.

  37. I think a lot of people would enjoy reading your ideas. Relativity itself shows that no time nor space exists for photons of light…they exist everywhere at once. I think if you read the “God Series” from the Illuminati and then the rest of the work, particularly “The Illuminati’s Six Dimensional Universe” and “Kabbalah, Hermeticism and M-theory”, you will find much enjoyment.

  38. urbster1 says:

    Indeed it is a great time to read the God series, because the entire series is free through Friday!

  39. Michael says:

    Where do I find it for free?

  40. Go here:, which has the God Series listed for you by descending publication date, and you should see the prices are all set to $0.

  41. sammscript37 says:

    Has Gödel’s Incompleteness Theorem been refuted?

  42. No not at all, it is completely incorporated! It is one of the most important and fundamental theorems there is and that there can be. It allows for the existence of subjectivity and free will, for the subjective experience of objective mathematics. The Incompleteness Theorem is covered fully in the God Series…in one of the books it is extensively discussed.

  43. Devin B. says:

    It’s great to find a group of people who are as awe struck as I am by the AOI! I stumbled upon their website about a year ago and devoured every article. It really has changed my life and sent me down many different pathways and corridors I had no clue existed. It is the most liberating religion/philosophy that exists. I am not as privy to their scientific and mathematical concepts (something I am working on), however, being a philosophy student I can wholly appreciate their critique and synthesis of the major philosophical schools of thought using their r>=0 paradigm.

    Before encountering the AOI I was just beginning to learn about Hermeticism and Platonism from an atheist perspective and they really helped me reconcile the two seemingly contradictory views. Being an atheist at the time, the only philosophy that made sense to me was existentialism because it denies a creator and liberates the individual as creator of his or her own life.

    However, existentialism led to nihilism because although the death of God liberated me, I was not prepared for a life with full responsibility. I instinctively knew at the time I was my own god, but I had no clue where to begin exercising my god-hood, so, I fell into a long despair and thought everything was hopeless.

    The study of Illuminism a long with Hermeticism has really shown me what self mastery really is and how to achieve it. The hegelian dialectic of becoming is the most beautiful and profound truth I have ever some across. It is rationally the ultimate motor of existence. Life+Death= Becoming. It couldn’t get simpler than that! As I stated before, I am not too privy to advanced science or mathematics, but I would love to discuss the philosophy of illuminism to whoever is interested :)

    Great to find similar minded rational seekers of truth!

  44. Hi Devin!

    We do have people starting to congregate together on Facebook pages (of all places).

    Check:
    The Illuminati Pub
    Meritocracy Party webpage
    Meritocracy Party Facebook

    It is totally great that you can understand the concepts and understand the r>=0 paradigm…most scientists with PhD’s can’t so you are already ahead of the game. Have you read all of the books too? There’s more in the books than there is on the AC site, I think – I don’t think the whole God Series is on the site, and if you haven’t read the series yet I highly recommend you do. They have told us that if you have read all of the public-domain material and can invent your own religion, then you can consider yourself a First-Degree Illuminatus. Which reminds me I should post my invented religion somewhere on this site…lol. Don’t forget to put in your email address to follow for new posts :)

  45. Filip says:

    Hi, I read your post, extremely happy someone is on a parallel track as me. I just plunged into the books you posted(just found out about them). I would be more than interested in conversing about the topics, you(and anyone else interested in the topics) might want to check out books such as william walker atkinson (on mental powers) , breaking the death habit by leonard orr, anything related to esoteric practices in general will enlighten you. Seems there is a lot more going on behind the curtains than the average person perceives

  46. Devin says:

    Joseph,

    I’ve read the first two books in the God series so far and they are absolutely fascinating. I’m working my way towards finishing the series. Since I am an INFP, I take in a large chunk of my information intuitively. I think that is why I don’t have too much trouble understanding the core concepts of Illumination.

    Many of the scientific details have gone over my head though I must say their explanation of quantum mechanics has really been eye opening for me. My independent research on the subject left me bewildered and confused between subjectivity and objectivity and how the two interplay. Their simple yet elegant answer to the implications of “wave function collapse” make so much sense. The other possible states don’t go on existing in other “dimensions”, but, a conscious observer selects from the available states using free will and the other possible states don’t exist because those particular paths weren’t chosen. These choices are all made in the everlasting moment of eternity where the future is undecided and the past is just made up of choices already made in that everlasting present… What a profound link from science to mysticism :)

    I noticed in your latest post you recommended the Kybalion. I started my journey with the Kybalion and I personally found that a great follow up book is The Hermetic Tradition by Julius Evola. It’s a really great in depth book on Hermetic symbolism and the process of inner alchemical transmutation. I would highly recommend it to anyone looking for a closer look at the subject.

    P.s Looking forward to reading your homemade religion :) Oh and thanks for recommending Forbidden Gnosis I look forward to reading it.

  47. Thanks for the book recommend Devin! You’ll probably become more T rather than F after reading all of the work. How much of the whole set of ~45 books have you read?

  48. Oh nm…you say right in your last post. Continue on my friend…they just get better and better.

  49. Dionysio says:

    Wondering where other blogs may be where the author(s) would be listening. These books are great, but will never help the world thrive. In fact, I would like the author to consider that complaining and degrading a deterministic system is like yelling at a box for being a box. A defensive box will then remain a box. In this respect humanity continues its massive ping pong match toward predictable self-destruction versus transcendence.

    The author(s) are very talented writers. Mike Hockney has a special gift but is currently self-destructive. Instead of the seemingly angry rants against all facets of society, he could use the same talent to describe why all behaviors are a result of cosmic mathematics so we dont have a choice accept to conclude that “everything is exactly as it’s supposed to be”. Once we understand that we can all have a better, more conscious discussion of how things should be.

    To Mike Hockney: Your vision of how things should be is as irrational as your rational arguments against the irrational existence of how things are…lol. Mike, I hope you listen as you have “missed the mark” in Gnostic wisdom. The world won’t change with your approach, as with all ping-pong matches of mankind, you are unconsciously supporting the opposite outcome of the very intentions you have. In other words, you are part of the problem, not the solution. A small tweak of seeing all the truths in our dysfunction versus the lies in our dysfunction and you would be powerful and command large audiences. As NEO says, the difference is “Choice”

  50. Thanks Dionysio. You should join the Illuminati Pub on Facebook and post this there…it would probably strike up a good conversation.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/291584434321560/

    Yah some people like his approach, others don’t. I liked it…ranting makes me feel better…cathartic release or something. The challenge is how will we/you/I translate the material into our own lives and that of others, and make the world a better place with it…because this world would be a much better place if everyone understood it. Alas, everyone can’t…understanding reality rationally and logically it is a function of personality type.

    In any case, I would like to see you develop your thesis…if you do, please let me know where you post it (Pub would be logical…you’ll have other there who agree with your point).

    Cheers!

  51. Styles says:

    Stumbled upon the AC site in 2011, read everything, changed a lot with regards to me understanding “everything”. I can’t afford an E-Book reader and I can’t afford the books. Don’t bother asking why but instead blindly trust why it is so. I’m posting this at a campus computer. When are the books going to be for free again?

  52. Hi Styles,

    I don’t know when the books will be free again, but if I hear about it again I will try to remember to post the notice here.

    Did you read the whole AC site? That’s probably pretty good enough, if you can’t read e-books on your own computer etc. So what do you think? What makes the most impact on you?

  53. Shooter says:

    Joe, the Illuminati doesn’t exist. These guys just use the name. One good laugh of a time:

    “The Pythagorean Illuminati are an ancient secret society of hyper-rational freethinkers officially organized into a society by the great polymath Pythagoras. Some of the most towering geniuses in history have been members of the Illuminati, these people include: Pythagoras, Heraclitus, Empedocles, Plato, Simon Magus, Hypatia, Leibniz, Weishaupt, Goethe, and Hegel. Throughout history the Pythagorean Illuminati have been working to change this world from the insane asylum it currently is into a just, rational, altruistic, community based Meritocracy. Just think of the society depicted in Star Trek and you will have a good idea of what kind of society the Illuminati are trying to create. If you would like to help create that type of society then these are the books for you. You should also check out the Illuminati’s website, armageddonconspiracy.co.uk and their facebook page Ancient Order of The Illuminati.” – There is virtually no evidence of any of these men being in the Illuminati because IT DID NOT EXIST. Check your history! The only place I’ve heard this nonsense are from conspiracy circles. I have never, ever heard of these men being part of any grand conspiracy except from this nutter’s mouth, and it shames me to see you take it at their word! Talk about hypocrisy; instead of actually finding the truth, you will take any claim at face value. That, my friend, is the epitome of deceit.

    So the Illuminati want to turn this world from the way it is into a rational, altruistic society. Well, hate to break it you, but that goes completely against reality and human nature. Humans are not programmed to be rational. The utopian types basically want us all to become stoic, rabbit-like people who stand for nothing at all, because the end, logical, rational conclusion for the utopia is for everyone to lose free-thought and free-will. No utopia has existed, but many groups have their own idea of what it could be, and the first step towards it is bloodshed. It seems these mathematicians are so blind as to neglect human nature. The conflict has never been between science or religion, but science and naturalism.

    For these authors to claim that man can be God, it means that all forms of injustice are acceptable. Human nature is greedy. Who is to say one man may be more Godlier than another? They ignore this. And who do they blame for the world’s ills; for refusing to implement this unnatural system?

    The white man. They blame the white man. THAT, my friend, is the logical conclusion. You cannot deny the human state; that is irrational. You cannot make humans a bunch of robots, because in order to become an all-loving, accepting society, you must force them – in other words, indoctrinate – to accept others, refusing to adhere to their sense of right and wrong because in a rational world, morality doesn’t exist because that is a Christian concept.

    What I also find funny, is that most of your beloved theories came from Christian thought. Altruism, universal acceptance – these are all Christian doctrines, which the authors hate.

    I would think a just world would eliminate injustice, which is again a Christian doctrine, and the best thing of all, is that the authors engaged in outright historical misconduct by refusing to do their research on those they claimed to be in the Illuminati when the Illuminati did not exist until the 18th century. They also deny race, racial hatred, the failure of multiculturalism, and the cult of liberalism.

    This is not an alternative to God or religion. This is the New Atheists’ religion that blames all its ills on the God-fearing Christian (white) man.

    What I have to ask is this: How COULD you be converted by this nonsense without checking for yourself? You sound no different than the warmists you lament. No different.

  54. Anthony Bruno says:

    So no one has gotten to anything about the books lol.

  55. Walker says:

    I don’t know about anyone else, but I’m ready for the revolution. I’m ready for a Meritocratic society. Interestingly enough, with the advent of the internet and the rise of the New Economy, meritocracy is inevitable. You either become indispensable, or you become obsolete. You either create, or are destroyed. My question is: How can we, as citizens, facilitate the onset of this Society of the Divine? I guess that’s the part that’s frightening, because there isn’t a rule book to follow. I feel blessed by the True God of the universe for stumbling upon these books. I hated them at first (being both an Abrahamist and conspiracy theorist), but, after rising from the ashes a proud, flaming Phoenix, and chasing away every “Thou shalt” as a Nietzshean lion, I’m eager to revalue all I have come to value. How do you impart this electricity to others? How to we light brush-fires that disseminate quick enough to light the world?

  56. Wow Walker!!!! Great stuff man! You simply carry that energy with you and impart it wherever you can. Become a master of the knowledge, a Master of the Force, an expert on it all, and understand it all intuitively so that you don’t have to quote but can simply TELL. You’re well on your way man. Join “the Illuminati Pub” if you haven’t yet, on Facebook.

  57. Walker says:

    I’m a Facebook rebel. Don’t have many friends anyway. Very glad I found this blog though; excellent work. I’m thrilled people are talking about this; I stumbled on the Pythagorean Illuminati a couple of years ago and as a conspiracy buff I didn’t know what to think of them. I hated them and wanted to refute them but the more I tried the more I found them to be correct. Appreciate the encouragement, Joseph. This path can feel pretty darn lonely. I’m thinking about trying to put together a Meritocracy Party in North Texas through Meetup.com but I’m pretty poor and don’t have the resources. I’m still a student. Anyway, props on the blog, keep up the good work.

  58. Yggdrasil says:

    First, I would like to say this is a great thread. To start (don’t trash yet) I am a research scientist. I was a lifelong atheist and materialist up until about a year ago, when I was approached by two individuals who suggested reading some of these books.
    Last summer was the first summer of my PhD program…meaning time was at a premium (and still is). That being said, I read TMDC, the God Factory, and the God Game back to back. At the time I was a scientific materialist and read with skepticism…but in the end I found that I had not one single argument against anything I had read. I intend to.finish the series this summer and upon finishing my PhD will try to decipher some of these codes because I feel I have found where I need to be. GREAT series!

  59. Yggdrasil says:

    I failed to mention, I have started a subreddit that is
    Solely geared towards getting our Minds together. It is http://www.reddit.com/r/hyperhumanity

  60. That is excellent and awesome Yggdrasil! Thanks for the link. It is time to start making science truly rational and to begin the age of hyperhumanity. You will not be disappointed with the rest of the series!

  61. Brett Sloat says:

    Hi I’m Brett. I stumbled onto the Illuminati website about a yr ago quite by accident. As I began to read I thought hmmm this is interesting so I thought it may have a certain intertainment value to it anyway so I continued on. When I came to the part where they start talking about ontological mathematics and what mathematics actually IS it sent chills through my entire body. In 1998 after studying every formally studying chemistry biology history psychology as well as 3 levels of calculus I turned my interests to physics and began working on a minor in that subject. I became obsessed with electromagnetism and spent a great deal of time trying to get my mind wrapped around what this phenomenon is. One afternoon I had an incredible experience in realising the exact nature of mathematics. This was the second epiphany I had had around this time. The first one was realising the diabolical nature of christianity. I was educated in a private Catholic school in the early 70’s. I had always known there was something wrong with that crap however it took a long damn time to unravel what I had been taught at an early age. The ontological mathematics the illuminati speaks is what pulled me in and I’ve been studying every day since. I havnt gotten to the book series yet however because I’ve been studying Nietzsche and Hegel which has been very challenging to say the least but I’m thoroughly enjoying it. Ill be on this until I take my last breath.

  62. Brett Sloat says:

    Is this site still active or am I still a lonely boy walking around in the dark?

  63. Hi Bret, no I’m here, just haven’t had time to add anything yet!

  64. Brett Sloat says:

    Excellent! Joseph. Its. So good to finally come into contact with real people who think about the same things I’ve been grappling with since I began to understand the english language.lol. I’ve been looking for awhile ever since I found that website. I thought the same thing you did the content. Its the most incredible piece of work I’ve ever read. It crystallized many of the scattered thoughts that have been floating around in my head for quite some time. It also pointed out one of the issues I’ve been baffled by for 16 yrs, the creator god idea. This idea was so contradictory to everything I though knew. It never occured to me to invert it. So simple yet so complex. The Hegelian dialectic is beginning to tke hold in my mind as well. Very important stuff. Nietzsche’s Genealogy of Morals has highly influenced my thinking. The Meritocracy is such a beautiful vision to me. I’ve always been skeptical of inheritance. I don’t know if you have ever witnessed what that element does to common folks or not however I’m sure you are aware. It is simply awful I’m 100% against it. I’m not going to unload all of my thoughts at once on you I’m not trying to write a book here. I just want to say that this material has completely tranformed my thought and given me a solid direction for the first time in my life. I do have a couple questions but I need a little time to think on how I will ask them. Thank you for responding.

  65. Brett Sloat says:

    Joseph ive just now recieved an email from this site directin g me to another address so I can be notified by email when new blogs are posted but for some reason im having difficulty getting signed up with it. Ill keep at it till I figure it out though. Anyway thanks for the invite.

  66. Brett Sloat says:

    Ok I think have it figured out.

  67. Brett Sloat says:

    I think ive got it now.

  68. Jon Gaucher says:

    I have watched this thread for too long in silence, and now for whatever reason (likely due to recent posts) I have decided to speak up. I am an extrovert struggling to be an introvert (the irony though), but this is easier said than done. I like to think I could be rather brilliant if it was not for my lack of confidence. Through an amalgamation of academic research and mainly Mike Hockney’s books I have been attempting to come to undeniable truths. It is likely that I have touched upon many of them, but due to my terrible disease of extroversion it has been very hard for me to know what to focus on without a question of wasting my time eating away at me. I understand if individuals are unwilling to share what truths they think they have discovered (or perhaps know for certain unlike me), but I am mostly here because I need to talk to people like you guys. Being an intuitive is not all that great in a world of sensing people (we make up only about 20 %) and I feel very alone most of the time. I like to think of myself as a proper skeptic, but perhaps I am too skeptical, or not proper at all.

  69. Hi Jon! Nice to meet. Come chat to people at The Illuminati Pub and/or Raw Illuminism on Facebook Or just here for my own exclusive attention :) Extroversion is alright when it’s properly managed…of course the extrovert has a shadow introvert personality, and vice versa. Know thyself and bring your psyche into a rational creative union!

  70. Jojoc says:

    I wanna ask.. when u die, what then, can u bring your vast knowledge together with you? or you just die like the rest of non- illuminated people? or is there more answer than that.. the way Illuminati think is like they are going to live in this world forever. What happened then when meritocracy takes over the world, can you guys promised the smart people will not bully stupid people like the elites did to the poor? i think history will repeat again but with different players and styles.

  71. @Jojoc

    Smart people are compassionate towards the stupid and do not merely wish to bully them, but to help them. The only problem is that right now it is more of a battle because stupid people are in control of things. We want to help everybody by building a world where slavery is abolished (including all of its modern manifestations) and where each human is optimized and helped to become optimized to their greatest extent. Basically we want the Star Trek future where humanity actually values itSELF, where people value their self-improvement and their development, instead of bits of paper and material goods. It is about creating a rational state, similar to Plato’s Republic. The awesome thing is that in this world, we will have more material wealth than humanity has ever had before, because with the Ontological Mathematics of Illuminism, we will learn how to be able to manipulate matter and energy to produce anything we want.

    Well, do most people ever accumulate a vast knowledge in their lifetimes, or do they just have knowledge of this world? Most people don’t have much knowledge to bring back past death…just some minor emotional things they might have learned. Few people see to the intention to bring back rational knowledge, so yes, if you do that, it will help. If you read the God Series of books and the other two authors books, study them well, do your best to understand them, you will indeed have a vast and unique set of knowledge to take with you.

  72. wizard Alexander says:

    There is a series of books amongst these ‘ written by an author chosen by the Illuminati for his writing talent (concealed by pseudonyms). Try find these books and come to a conclusion for yourself as its the only way to pass the checkpoint nearby and proceed in finding truth out from those who aware hiding it. Beware the checkpoints I am talking (1/4) about are designed as a filter to stop those from finding out truth: and they’ll happily misdirect you. But don’t be mislead follow your instincts and be very conscious of yourself over the period of time while studying these.

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