The Problem of Mutual Exclusivity in Climate Science

Two mutually-exclusive ideas cannot both be true.

An empirical fact about the atmosphere is that its temperature decreases with altitude above the surface; this is called the “lapse rate”. In pedagogical and peer-reviewed climate science, a radiative greenhouse effect derived and postulated from a flat model of the Earth is used to explain the lapse rate, although, it does not lead to a direct method to calculate the observed numerical value of it. Alternatively, application of the 1st Law of Thermodynamics leads to a phenomenon called “adiabatic heating”, which is where a gas can change temperature due to work when heat is not present. The source of work is provided by gravity. If one combines this adiabatic effect along with the heating effect of latent heat release from water vapor, then the numerical value of the lapse rate can be directly and accurately calculated to the same value as the empirical observation.

There is a conflict here in which phenomenon of physics is responsible for creating the lapse rate: is it the radiative greenhouse effect of climate science, or is it the adiabatic and latent-heat effect of thermodynamics?

The former is accepted as pedagogical and peer-reviewed climate science, the latter is accepted as the Laws of Thermodynamics.

These are two disparate explanations for a single phenomenon. Either mechanism claims to explain the empirical fact of the existence of the lapse rate. They cannot therefore both be true. If they both were true, then the theoretical calculation from the thermodynamic approach which arrives at the observed empirical value should not be able to do so, because it leaves out whatever contribution must simultaneously have to manifest upon the lapse rate due to the climate greenhouse effect if it existed.

In the face of two mutually-exclusive ideas, which one of these is true, and which is therefore by the process of elimination, false?

 

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8 Responses to The Problem of Mutual Exclusivity in Climate Science

  1. Joseph E Postma says:

    This is what I’m replying to the freaks who make insane paradoxical comments as showcased in my last video, and also who react extremely negatively to this infographic:

    “You are infected with a noetic brain parasite which prevents you from being able to understand that two mutually-exclusive things cannot both be true at the same time. It therefore maintains a state of cognitive dissonance in your mind which it uses to feed off of your mental ability and mental energies.

    Cognitive dissonance is where a person believes in two mutually-exclusive things at the same time, and subconsciously feels uncomfortable about it. Normally, when a person is healthy, they will resolve this discomfort; however, when infected with the parasite, the dissonance is either reinforced as a good feeling, or, is simply unable to be comprehended, thus maintaining a state of rational dissonance where the victim is unable to think logically.

    The parasite is secreting toxins into your system which prevents conscious rational thought, and it may also be actively blocking conscious thought in the first place. You have a serious health problem in the form of a mental parasite which controls you – or you are in fact entirely such a noetic parasite incarnated in the human form.

    A series of deep fasts along with a prescribed dietary hygiene regimen MAY be able to help you, if there is any component within you of what should be a normally-functioning soul.

    However, the parasite may be so deeply embedded in your system that you are unrecoverable. You will then have to be recycled. You can try to dislodge it yourself before having to undergo recycling, by committing to an extended fasting and dietary hygiene regimen over the next few years. If you consume pornography or any other illicit and unhealthy substances, you must stop these addictions as well as undergoing the fasting and dietary regimen.”

  2. Jopo says:

    This is a great piece Joe. Noting that you have said this a 100 times before. 

    It is a simple approach that does not give these idiots ANY wriggle room. 

    It either is or it is not.

  3. Oh you should see on FB how they’re already blaming ME for having cognitive dissonance only.. lol.

  4. Jopo says:

    What FB group is all this fun on?

  5. It’s called Climate Change Debate

  6. eilert says:

    If you take any meteorological course, you will never be taught that the lapse rate is caused by the greenhouse effect.

    It is always taught the way you describe it.

    Eg in this video: Chapter 10 Adiabatic processes, lapse rates and rising air – YouTubehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObnWb7yspxA

  7. Very nice. Excellent. Hence the existence of the paradox discussed in the last video. If everyone knows this, then why do they also believe in the greenhouse effect which suggests that it must do it.

  8. Philip Mulholland says:

    Joe; Starting with the observation that temperature decreases with altitude in the troposphere and that the lapse rate can be derived from first principles, there is at some elevation a minimum temperature that caps the convection process. Your analysis of the role of latent heat merits application not just for the troposphere of the Earth, where the condensing volatile is water and the lowest temperature that super-cooled water droplets can achieve is -48C, but also for other terrestrial / planetary bodies with a troposphere.

    These bodies are:

    1. Venus – where the condensing volatile is sulphuric acid.
    2. The Saturn moon of Titan – where the condensing volatile is methane.
    3. Mars – where the condensing volatile is the carbon dioxide atmospheric gas itself. Hayne, P.O. et al., 2012 Carbon dioxide snow clouds on Mars South polar winter observations by the Mars Climate Sounder.https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2011JE004040

    I suggest that this is a potentially fruitful line of inquiry.

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