Classical Illuminism – Idealism vs. Materialism Case Study

In this video we take a look at a case study of the materialist mind, and analyze what prevents them from being able to comprehend conceptual arguments. We also identify what the true faith-religion is for the materialist atheist: they’re not actually atheists, they simply believe in another form of the inexplicably infinite! It’s quite fascinating.

The person who the case study is about also sent this message:

“Here’s where you’re at, Joe:

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children’s or grandchildren’s time – when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the key manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgably question those in authority when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, out critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what’s true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness. The dumbing down of America is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30-second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance.”
-Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World

You have no choice but to hew to scientific principles, to promulgate scientific reality. Drop this sham pseudoscience.”

So let’s get one thing clear: What Sagan wrote above, is due entirely to your supposed “scientific principles”. Flat Earth theory in modern physics is the result of your materialist “scientific principles”. A plan to end all life on Earth is the result of your materialist “scientific principles”. Castrating and mastectomizing children is the result of your materialist “scientific principles”. The dumbing down of society with your materialist technology and dumb-phones and bread and circus is the result of your materialist “scientific principles”. The eradication of human merit, the eradication of human value, the eradication of human meaning, the eradication of purpose to life, is the result of your materialist “scientific principles”. It is your science which accepts flat Earth theory in modern physics; it is your science which posits that heat can flow backwards; it is your science which denies the heat from the Sun; it is your science which has failed to explain anything about the fundamental nature of existence at all. And now we know why you want it this way: because you’re religiously faithful, protecting your materialist God in simply another guise to the Biblical one you only pretend to reject. You’re simply not even aware of what you’re doing.

All of this is on you. All of the pseudoscience and relativism of the modern world is on you…squarely on you and your materialist “scientific principles”. If your “scientific principles” were actually worth anything, given the dominance of science in today’s world (IFLS right!?), then we wouldn’t have what you’re complaining about and what I am demonstrating is wrong with it all! The prevailing, dominant system is responsible for itself, for the conditions it itself has created! This is the barest and most embarrassing form of denial…to pretend that the results of the prevailing system itself are a result of a completely unknown system trying to correct it! Projection much? Illuminism can finitize the question of existence and rationally explain why we’re here; you prefer randomness, as if that’s an explanation of anything, and infinite regress, and see nothing logically problematic with that. The prevailing culture of materialist science is precisely what has brought about what Sagan warned us about! Religion is basically gone, philosophy is gone, everything else is gone today except for scientific materialism…therefore today’s pseudoscientific world is squarely the result of scientific materialism, which is in fact the ultimate pseudoscience, and so we have consistency in what it has does to the world. Sagan warned about this because he intuited that this would directly be the result of the scientific materialism which he was beholden to. And the scientific materialist response is to defend it. Get aware!

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35 Responses to Classical Illuminism – Idealism vs. Materialism Case Study

  1. MP says:

    This doesn’t change if there is a God concept or not. It just fine tunes it to perception based on math

    God concept is very important and keeps the Satanists out

    Like the concept of the USA constitution

    “Nation under God”

    This is a very strong collective concept since it prohibits the Nation to become God, and the dictator rulers Gods on earth

    And our collective spirit in the NOW is very strong. One person can’t do much but the amount of collective spirits who have waken up to the evils of the Deepstate are a very strong force, giving the DS in the info war a very tough time

  2. MP says:

    It is weekend so I’ll give one more hint away

  3. CD Marshall says:

    How’s Kooks doing?

  4. Zelator says:

    CD, I think Joe referenced him at the end of his latest video above. I think Joe has drawn his own conclusions from recent activity, and made a judgement on the situation. Drawing your own conclusions from that is the best you can do. He seems unable to grasp what Joe is saying, so unless Joe wants to elaborate, then I think his comments above say all that needs to be said. Hope that helps. All the best. Z

  5. Zelator says:

    See the thing is, that what Joe addresses in this video is very indicative of the scientific mind.
    They tend to be materialists. I am/was a scientist as profession, however my field was in the Life Sciences, Biololy, Human Anatomy, Human and Animal Physiology, Zoology, Nutrition and Human and Animal Medicine. Microbiology and Cell Biology. I needed to know basic Inorganic and Organic Chemistry and Basic Physics. These life sciences, tend to be less materialistic say than the physical sciences.

    My mathematical usage was from Accountancy, Banking and Working in the UK Stock Market. My Judicial mind was from English Legal System Law, Constitutional Law, Criminal Law, Contract/Tort law and some Land Law.

    I have always been an INTJ. I have tested myself at least once a year, and it’s always the same result.

    Being a J rather than a P makes me less materialistic as I rely less on perceiving, which tend to rely more on the senses rather than logic.

    It’s not that anyone is any better than anyone else, but the world has been run by materialists, and that has to change.

  6. Zelator says:

    The ironic thing is that here we have Joe a scientist in an empirical materialist world who has gone against the grain, with no doubt incredible anger and frustration towards him from his peers, but who has valiantly put his case to the world.

    Against all you scientific materialists. Yes, takes some bottle to do that. I think only Joe with his breadth of character was able to pull this off. He has created massive cognitive dissonance, amongst you, not to annoy you, but to wake you all up! You only have to look at the amount of posts he “doesn’t get” lol about his Ontological Mathematics posts to know it’s alien to you all.

    On the one hand he is adored for his stance against CAGW but then those same people feel abandoned by his anti-materialist stance and feel let down by him. Welcome to the NEW World. Materialism is dead long live the King ….(Idealism).

  7. boomie789 says:

    “Simply put, it is not profitable for the west to feed Africa and the third world. Western farms have enough problems to worry about domestically, through supply chain issues and replacing the migrant-run, spontaneously combustible food processing plants.

    Self interested companies will move the heavens to maintain their profitability and generally that aligns with you being alive and well enough to consume the product and show up to work. The west will let a billion Africans starve if we really have to. Even if it’s an unintentional aspect of market dynamics.

    I think we tend to interpret the system’s complexity and interdependence as weakness but if the last few years have proven anything, it’s that it’s exceptionally resilient. They will just focus on home instead of the rest of the world.

    AP news had interesting information on this exact topic.

    ◼ “Who is first in line for the grain from Ukraine could be affected by humanitarian needs but also comes down to existing business arrangements and commercial interests, including who is willing to pay the most.”, says Shaun Ferris, a Kenya-based adviser on agriculture and markets for Catholic Relief Services, a partner in World Food Program distributions.

    ◼ “Ukraine is not a charity,” Ferris said. “It will be looking to get the best deals on the market” to maintain its own fragile economy.

    ◼ Plus, most of the trapped grain is for animal feed, not for people to eat, experts say. That will extend the war’s ripple effects for the world’s most vulnerable people thousands of miles away in countries like Somalia and Afghanistan, where hunger could soon turn to famine and where inflation has pushed the cost of food and energy out of reach for many.

    ◼ Example: The Razoni, a vessel that was loaded with more than 26,000 tons of corn for chicken feed.

    There will be global famine as global supply chains break down. Wars springing up as a result and mass migration in numbers so high that they might perish while crossing the Sahara desert. What we’re seeing is the makings of nothing less than a malthusian correction event for demographics of the world.”

  8. Zelator says:

    That’s true that Boomie. I worked for one of the biggest Pharmaceutical industries in the world and they produced a drug that could wipe out a certain tropical disease. As the countries affected couldn’t afford the cost that the said Pharma wanted to charge, instead of giving it cheaply, the drug was discontinued. No Profit no do.

  9. “How’s Kooks doing?”

    Not too well. See Z’s later comment.

  10. Right, Z, and CD, etc.

    All that we’re trying to do is to halt infinite regress, and do something better than refer to a “God” which we can neither explain nor justify nor understand, i.e. the Abrahamist God of the Bible, or whatever other God.

    You can understand why religious people might not like that. But even they DO seem to appreciate the idea that their “God” speaks with mathematics, that it creates with the adamantine rules of mathematics. They can do it…they can envision it, because they have a practiced mind’s eye.

    But the materialist seems to hate our project even worse, just completely hate and detest it, and cannot comprehend it in the slightest. They reject the Abrahamist God…but then they see nothing wrong with infinite regress, or at the last will resort to “randomness”, as if this is a cause or explanation of anything. They seem to hate halting infinite regress or the inexplicable even worse than the Abrahamist does.

    Illuminism doesn’t refer to God, it doesn’t go turtles all the way down, it rationally explains how and why existence has a sufficient reason within itself, which is the only way to come to a finite, logical conclusion or understanding of the matter.

    And materialists seem to HATE that. They just really FN HATE it! It’s so bizarre.

  11. Zelator says:

    When you say infinite regress you should explain that this means that there is no need of an initial “cause” rather than just “existence exists”. There is no chicken and egg. I think it is important to make this point. I think this is where materialists can’t get their head around. They always look for a cause.

  12. Zelator says:

    Having worked in both spheres of industry I know how important it is to not assume a certain vocabulary. Being able to address different audiences with the same material but in different contexts is key to getting your message across. One seminar might say the same thing as another but different audiences of different types will interpret it differently. Your job is to find a language that is descriptive and functional one that is simple without ambiguity and understandable across all psychological types. Some like materialist may never be unable to comprehend, but others may require a more poetic, artistic, symbolic push. Even changing the lecture wording and tone gives different results to different audiences. Sales people know this very well!

  13. Zelator says:

    Hyperianism was a disaster as it didn’t define its audience and instead cast its net as a catch all. It became a cult of sensing types who never even bothered with the books but made it a silly cult. Instead of telling all materialists and sensing types to fuck off they tried to appease them to convert them. WELL YOU CANT CONVERT THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!! Bottom line is they fucked up. Joe needs to avoid this mistake with his intake of Facebook signups. I already believe there may be a few ex Hyperians …… Good grief….. why do you people need to follow someone??

  14. Barry says:

    Sorry guys but have to say been dealing with a few on fb and we are doomed. People literally arguing science because they seen a documentary on cbc. It’s really hard to fix stupid, I don’t know why I try.

  15. Zelator says:

    My advice? Avoid social media, it is zombie world. Can’t believe people even bother with that shit anymore?

  16. Zelator says:

    The zombies will not change the world, they are incapable, they are sensing feeling types that worry about the future but have no balls to change it, The Doom Mongers on CBC you reference are scared little children who cant take control of their lives or face any type of adversity head on. They are the last men the hollow men:

  17. Zelator says:

    Joe, what is your take on the theory of “Becoming” with regards to Myers Briggs psychological types. Seems that certain types have an advantage e.g INTJ. Why should a particular psychological type have an advantage in Becoming when they are born with a certain psychological type and it’s not a choosing but a birth attribute? I have my ideas but am interested in your take first. Cheers Z

  18. boomie789 says:

  19. Joseph E Postma says:

    I would simply think that it’s evolution, Z. The monad is developing its material expression, so it makes choices at to what it thinks would work best.

  20. boomie789 says:


    Message from “The World Jewish Congress”, in that familiar NWO style.

  21. Zelator says:

    If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck lol.

    Brings to mind that quote by Rockefeller:

  22. Joseph E Postma says:

    Good god what a disgusting retarded video.

  23. boomie789 says:

  24. boomie789 says:

  25. Omg boomie here comes the onslaught of testosterone blockers.

  26. boomie789 says:

    And they say slippery slope is a fallacy.

  27. boomie789 says:

    Hacked phizer and others jab data.

  28. Leon says:

    Hey all,

    Liberals booted out John Rustad because he questions “Co2”. CBC’s comment section was moving quickly and I was engaged with people until I suddenly couldn;t comment anymore. Can anyone confirm if the comment section was shut down or just me? Not the first time CBC just blocks me from debating anyone. Very frustrating.

  29. Joseph E Postma says:

    I don’t have an account so I can’t see the comments.

  30. Joseph E Postma says:

    That’s messed up Boomie.

    Makes you wish for the Christian to come back, if anything will!

  31. Leon says:

    I don’t think you need an account to see comments, only to post. If the comment section is gone, then it must have been yanked. Still frustrating.

  32. Leon says:

    Well SOB CBC is a bloody dictatorship. You cannot question climate science!! @#@#$!!!

    I’m fucking furious.

    You posted on Longtime B.C. Liberal MLA removed from caucus after questioning climate change science | CBC News:
    “Reply to @Jon Moddle: “Energy” Be more specific. It starts with a “P””

    1 HR AGO
    You posted on Longtime B.C. Liberal MLA removed from caucus after questioning climate change science | CBC News:
    “Reply to @Ryan Jason: Telling me I made a strawman whilst you actually use a strawman. Expected.”

    1 HR AGO
    You posted on Longtime B.C. Liberal MLA removed from caucus after questioning climate change science | CBC News:
    “Reply to @Jon Moddle: copied from below: Lyle Robin 36 minutes ago Reply to @John Paul: “Does co2 t…”

    1 HR AGO
    You posted on Longtime B.C. Liberal MLA removed from caucus after questioning climate change science | CBC News:
    “Reply to @Jon Moddle: Are telling me that after all these years, you haven’t heard the proponents of…”

    1 HR AGO
    You posted on Longtime B.C. Liberal MLA removed from caucus after questioning climate change science | CBC News:
    “Reply to @Jon Moddle: There’s waaaaay more to it than that. You are only providing disinformation. …”

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